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#1 User is offline   daveharty 

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Posted 2013-January-30, 15:58



What do you consider the standard meaning of West's 2NT bid here, given:

NS play a standard 5cM system, 1D is 4+ unless 4=4=3=2; and
EW do not play Sandwich NT, 1NT would have been a strong balanced hand.
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Posted 2013-January-30, 16:11

♠+♣ 5-5
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Posted 2013-January-31, 10:19

Yup, it's just a much more shapely and preemptive version of double.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 10:40

it depends also on the meaning of 2D and 2H. if you use one of them or both of them to show 2 suiter then the 2NT becomes more shapy then the normal 5-5
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Posted 2013-January-31, 14:01

The difference between 2♦ and 2NT is that one is weaker then another.
Thats at least what i play with my partner
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Posted 2013-January-31, 14:53

Blacks. But I play that 2-red is natural.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 14:55

View Postwyman, on 2013-January-31, 14:53, said:

Blacks. But I play that 2-red is natural.

+1. I believe that is the standard expert treatment.
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Posted 2013-February-01, 04:59

View PostArtK78, on 2013-January-31, 14:55, said:

+1. I believe that is the standard expert treatment.

Depends on which expert you ask. A method I have seen a fair bit in English circles is for 2♦ to show 6 clubs + 4 spades and for 2♥ to show 6 spades + 4 clubs. But if you go through a range of expert CCs you will see lots of possibilities for sandwich auctions mentioned.
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Posted 2013-February-01, 07:39

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-February-01, 04:59, said:

Depends on which expert you ask. A method I have seen a fair bit in English circles is for 2♦ to show 6 clubs + 4 spades and for 2♥ to show 6 spades + 4 clubs. But if you go through a range of expert CCs you will see lots of possibilities for sandwich auctions mentioned.

I don't think that "standard" means "universal."
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Posted 2013-February-03, 06:03

View PostArtK78, on 2013-February-01, 07:39, said:

I don't think that "standard" means "universal."


standard to me is 2♦ as spades and clubs. standard is also that 2nt is spades and clubs. i would prefer to play 2nt as minors still.
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Posted 2013-February-03, 06:03

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-February-01, 04:59, said:

Depends on which expert you ask. A method I have seen a fair bit in English circles is for 2♦ to show 6 clubs + 4 spades and for 2♥ to show 6 spades + 4 clubs. But if you go through a range of expert CCs you will see lots of possibilities for sandwich auctions mentioned.


in 25 years of playing bridge in england i've never seen that once.
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Posted 2013-February-03, 07:07

View Postwank, on 2013-February-03, 06:03, said:

in 25 years of playing bridge in england i've never seen that once.

Then you should play in Hertfordshire more. The best thing about this convention is its name - McCartney.
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Posted 2013-February-03, 07:30

View Postgnasher, on 2013-February-03, 07:07, said:

Then you should play in Hertfordshire more. The best thing about this convention is its name - McCartney.


I play Lennon - 2♦ shows six spades and four clubs, but 2♥ is natural.
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Posted 2013-February-05, 18:44

View Postdaveharty, on 2013-January-30, 15:58, said:



What do you consider the standard meaning of West's 2NT bid here, given:

NS play a standard 5cM system, 1D is 4+ unless 4=4=3=2; and
EW do not play Sandwich NT, 1NT would have been a strong balanced hand.
My regular partner and I do not play Sandwich NT but given the bidding would bid as follows: 1) dble would show 4-4 in the unbid suits and 8+ hcp 2) 2NT shows 5-5+ in the unbid suits and a weak hand (5-7 hcp). Why 2NT rather than 1NT? The weaker hands are less likely to win the contract and 2NT is more preemptive than 1NT. I suppose 1NT there would show a strong balanced hand (15-18 hcp) with stops in both of opp's suit, but I have yet to see one of those hands. With a very strong unbalanced hand we would cue bid 2♦, the lower of bid suits.
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