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Deal #13 AQ3 QJ862 AKQT8 void

#41 User is offline   Lord Molyb 

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Posted 2013-February-18, 21:37

Molybdenum Forcing Pass System:

S ---- N
P --- 1 (opening, 0-bad 12)
2 --- 2NT (club void and 16- bad 20/21, invite or better in a suit or GF in NT)
3 --- 3 (asks for more information, invite or better in hearts)
3 --- 3NT (either a spade cue or 3 or fewer hearts, asks for clarification)
4 --- 5 (agrees hearts, extras)
5NT --- 6 (GSF, king or ace of hearts without queen)
6 --- P (signoff)

The sequence is not finalized, I'm still working on this part, as my slam biddings after opener shows a void are still unrefined.

with interference it goes:

S ---- N
P --- 1 (1) (see above)
2 --- 3 (strong hand with hearts and a minor, near maximum with heart support)
5NT --- 6 (GSF, K or A without queen)
6 --- P
Easier with interference.
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Posted 2013-February-19, 05:59

 Lord Molyb, on 2013-February-18, 21:37, said:

The sequence is not finalized, I'm still working on this part, as my slam biddings after opener shows a void are still unrefined.

You also need to add a 1 overcall by East and a 2 raise by West. I am guessing you will not have 2 available as a void-showing bid over that.

As an aside, if North does only have an invite in hearts, how do you stop short of game?
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Posted 2013-February-19, 15:52

 Zelandakh, on 2013-February-19, 05:59, said:

You also need to add a 1 overcall by East and a 2 raise by West. I am guessing you will not have 2 available as a void-showing bid over that.

As an aside, if North does only have an invite in hearts, how do you stop short of game?

...that's why I'm working on it :unsure:
If I make the 2NT --> 3 call GF then I still don't have an invitational. I suppose I could make 3 over 2 the invite, but I won't have an invitational bid over 2 if that's also void-showing.
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Posted 2013-February-20, 03:01

Here's a possible solution:-

2 = diamond void
... - 2 = GF relay
... - 2M = to play
... - 2N = invite in any suit (3 to decline a club invite (Paradox))
... - 3/3M = nat GF
... - 3 = pick a major
2 = heart void
... - 2 = GF relay
... - 2 = to play
... - 2N = puppet to 3, minor sign off or invite in spades
... - 3m = nat invite
... - 3 = GF in unknown minor
... - 3 = nat GF
2 = spade void
... - 2 = GF relay
... - 2N = puppet to 3, for sign off in any suit
... - 3m/3 = nat invite
... - 3 = GF in unknown minor
2 = club void
... - 2N = GF relay
... - 3 = puppet to 3, for sign off in any suit
... - 3/3M = nat invite

If you do not like the idea of a GF relay then you can rearrange to cover the different hand types more naturally, for example

2 = club void
... - 2N = puppet to 3, for invite in any suit
... - 3 = puppet to 3, for sign off in any suit
... - 3/3M = nat GF

As long as you make the 2 "rebid" show a club void, rather than 2, you have the necessary space.
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Posted 2013-February-20, 14:28

quoting a long post is not a desirable thing in forums.
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Posted 2013-February-20, 14:28

That looks very interesting and probably will fix my problem. Thanks very much.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 03:00

You are most welcome.
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Posted 2013-February-25, 14:24

Unnamed Homebrew Diamond:
2-2N Weak OR weak ( and minor) OR GF ( and minor)/enquiry (weaker bids available)
3N-6 3-loser hand, red suits/cover 2 losers and prefer
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Posted 2013-February-28, 19:06

Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3)

1 - 1 = 4+ or 11+ and Balanced -
1NT = asking - 2 = canape with 5+ unknown minor -
2 = asking - 2 = 5+ -
2 DAB - 3 = no shortage = 2=4=2=5 -
3 Beta - 3NT = 3 Controls -
4 = CAB - 4 = A -
6 = 50-50 at best All pass

Edited 3/2/12 1:56 pm EST 50-50 at worst
Ultra Relay: see Daniel's web page: https://bridgewithda...19/07/Ultra.pdf
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Posted 2013-March-01, 03:22

 PrecisionL, on 2013-February-28, 19:06, said:

Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3)

6 = 50-50 at best All pass

What do you mean by "50-50 at best"? It is usually not a good idea to bid a slam that is at best a 50% chance.
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Posted 2013-March-02, 12:57

 Zelandakh, on 2013-March-01, 03:22, said:

What do you mean by "50-50 at best"? It is usually not a good idea to bid a slam that is at best a 50% chance.


Yes, an error, 50-50 at worst. I try not to bid slams that are only 50-50, trust the system.
Ultra Relay: see Daniel's web page: https://bridgewithda...19/07/Ultra.pdf
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