[jillybean]

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[Fluffy]

a quick 3NT for me, not even thinking beyond milton work points

[wyman]

Certainly worth more than 13, but not enough for anything but 3N.

[neilkaz]

Just 3NT for me. PD didn't super accept and will need a perfecta to make slam. I think slam is clearly not a fav and looking for it may get us set.

[gszes]

as i look at this hand i wonder----since there are two acceptable places to play
3n and (with my super 5 card heart suit 4h) is there any downside to
bidding 3d (I realize its not a suit hehe). If p has both black suits stopped
we play 3N. If p has heart support we play 4H. If p does not have both
black suits stopped we play 4H even if its a 42 fit. If p has a dia fit and decides
to cue bid (or raise to 4d) does 4H always indicate reds and slam interest or can it
be my heart suit is good enough to play 4h and maybe its better to play there
than diamonds (after we looked for 3N first of course).

I realize there are some hands where 4h will fail and 3n make and vice versa
when opener does not have both black suits stopped. My query is more along the
lines of lets find game first then delve into slam. Is it unreasonable to see if 3n
is more acceptable this way (since we have 4H as an alternative). Would this
bidding sequence be more acceptable if one held x AKQTx Axxx xx???? If yes
does the lack of a 4th dia reallly change the nature of the hand that much to
make bidding this was non viable?

Please don't just give me platitudes like im balanced wih 5 hearts 3N is the only way to
go. If this idea bites give me some strong reason(s) why it should be avoided.

[Phil]

Would have bid 3N directly over 1N.

[Bbradley62]

gszes, on 2012-December-28, 17:45, said:

If this idea bites give me some strong reason(s) why it should be avoided.

So you don't end up in 5♦ when everyone else is in the correct 3N contract. You don't seem to have allowed for the possibility that partner believes you and raises your fictional diamonds.

[nige1]

Jillybean posted this.


IMO Now a 3N rebid describes the hand and does not preclude a slam. If partner decides that ♥ is a better strain, and he has something to spare, then he can indicate that below 4♥ by cue-bidding -- or showing a trick-source -- or whatever -- depending on your style.

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[lexlogan]

jillybean, on 2012-December-28, 14:15, said:

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Partner could have Ax xxx AQJxx Axx or the like, but I don't have the tools to ask if he has a strong five card minor. Transfer-then-3NT for me. I play a direct jump to 3H as a one-suited slam try, but this hand isn't good enough IMO.

[Cyberyeti]

lexlogan, on 2012-December-29, 00:53, said:

Partner could have Ax xxx AQJxx Axx or the like, but I don't have the tools to ask if he has a strong five card minor. Transfer-then-3NT for me. I play a direct jump to 3H as a one-suited slam try, but this hand isn't good enough IMO.

Or xxx, Jx, AQJxx, AKJ where 3N might not be ideal

[jillybean]

Relax, I bid 3N also.

[ggwhiz]

We play a ton of super accepts with 3 (with and without a side 5-bagger) and 4 card support and use them liberally.

Small losses at the 3 level are rare and the comfort of signing off in 3nt with these cards more than makes up for it.

[P_Marlowe]

3NT, wtp?

[rmnka447]

3 NT, the only thing that might give me pause to think about more would be a superaccept.

[SteveMoe]

3N.
Truscott proposed Anti-lemming jumps to 3M after Stayman and the 2♦ denial.
Never heard of a similar device after Jacoby transfers.
Am more concerned that 3N cannot make (e.g. 2♠ opposite 2♠) than slam being remotely likely.

Perhaps someone has a 2♠ rebid gadget to accomplish this?

[mr1303]

Score 1 for playing Keri.

1NT 2C (puppet to 2D)
2D(forced) 2NT (GF shape ask)
3C(presumably - haven't seen partner's hand yet, showing no 5 card major, not 4333) 3H (5332 with 5 hearts better than Q109xx)

and now partner has a much better idea of how to proceed.

If partner has 3 small hearts and 4342 shape or similar he will be happy to bid 4H knowing that there won't be lots of trump losers.

Compare with the Keri sequence 1NT 2D 2H 3NT which shows 5332 with 5 hearts worse than Q109xx, partner might well try 3NT with 3 small hearts knowing that there might be lots of trump losers.