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Posted 2012-November-23, 06:06
What was 2m?
If it was 6-9, 3m is probably best played as a preemptive bid (to keep opps from balancing). However, I think without discussion many people would take it as ~17 hcp, invitational to 5m/3NT.
If it was 10+, 3m could be many things, in vanilla standard I think it's NF but probably better played as F.
If it was 6-9, 3m is probably best played as a preemptive bid (to keep opps from balancing). However, I think without discussion many people would take it as ~17 hcp, invitational to 5m/3NT.
If it was 10+, 3m could be many things, in vanilla standard I think it's NF but probably better played as F.
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Posted 2012-November-23, 07:22
gwnn, on 2012-November-23, 06:06, said:
If it was 10+, 3m could be many things, in vanilla standard I think it's NF but probably better played as F.
That's an interesting idea, but how do you make it work?
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Posted 2012-November-23, 15:12
This is the novice forum too,so I would play it as invitational.
I doubt that novices should learn inverted minor, 2m+1 as a minimum and other fancy stuff before they can make a game plan. And if they can make a game plan, they can go to the int/advanced section.
I doubt that novices should learn inverted minor, 2m+1 as a minimum and other fancy stuff before they can make a game plan. And if they can make a game plan, they can go to the int/advanced section.
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Posted 2012-November-23, 16:13
There are many places where everyone plays 2m as 10+, even beginners. That's why I dared to ask. I didn't say beginners should or should not play inv minor.
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Posted 2012-November-24, 04:44
gwnn, on 2012-November-23, 09:29, said:
2m+1 as any minimum for example.
I see. We play this as unbalanced GF, but in a weak NT context.
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Posted 2012-November-24, 20:58
gwnn, on 2012-November-23, 06:06, said:
What was 2m?
If it was 6-9, 3m is probably best played as a preemptive bid (to keep opps from balancing). However, I think without discussion many people would take it as ~17 hcp, invitational to 5m/3NT.
If it was 10+, 3m could be many things, in vanilla standard I think it's NF but probably better played as F.
If it was 6-9, 3m is probably best played as a preemptive bid (to keep opps from balancing). However, I think without discussion many people would take it as ~17 hcp, invitational to 5m/3NT.
If it was 10+, 3m could be many things, in vanilla standard I think it's NF but probably better played as F.
When you have so many other forcing bids available why on earth would you play it as forcing?
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Posted 2012-November-25, 01:05
the hog, on 2012-November-24, 20:58, said:
When you have so many other forcing bids available why on earth would you play it as forcing?
It takes out a huge amount of bidding space, so whether forcing or non-forcing it should be highly specific if the auction is intended to be constructive, and cannot therefore sensibly embrace all hands that fall within the chosen forcing v non-forcing strength.
If it is intended to be pre-emptive then that is another matter.
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Posted 2012-November-27, 05:29
The main question is, what is the meaning of 2m.
If 2m is a single raise, I would play 3m the way I would play 3M.
Regarding your treatment - 3m showing a non forcing hand with stoppers in both suit:
How likely is it, that a 6-9 hand has stoppers in both majors?
If responder is strong enough to accept the invite, 4m will have play, so reponder,
in case he accepts the invite, show a stopper in a major, if he has one.
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If 2m is a single raise, I would play 3m the way I would play 3M.
Regarding your treatment - 3m showing a non forcing hand with stoppers in both suit:
How likely is it, that a 6-9 hand has stoppers in both majors?
If responder is strong enough to accept the invite, 4m will have play, so reponder,
in case he accepts the invite, show a stopper in a major, if he has one.
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