[flytoox]

Haven't been here for a while. This is a board I played last week and I think it is an interesting one to discuss.

Playing 2/1， you sit south and are dealt the following hand

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Pd opened 1H, you responded with 1N, pd bid 2H. Now what do you do?

[aguahombre]

3H, even if one of those black eights was the 7

We save the "impossible 2S" for hands which started out as a 3-card limit raise. Others might not include 3-card heart raises in their 1NT response and would have different agreements for the impossible 2S.

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2012-November-14, 22:45

[Codo]

I would raise too, 2 ♠ if this was discussed, 3 ♥ if not. This hand looks like an invitation opposite an opening with 6 hearts. Not more, not less.

[PhilKing]

Put me down for 3NT.

Partner can pull with extra shape or slow side cards since he should play us for this kind of hand, but most of the time I just expect to rack up an easy 400. And sometimes when 3NT goes down, 3♥ fails as well.

[Phil]

PhilKing, on 2012-November-15, 04:41, said:

Put me down for 3NT.

Partner can pull with extra shape or slow side cards since he should play us for this kind of hand, but most of the time I just expect to rack up an easy 400. And sometimes when 3NT goes down, 3♥ fails as well.

Good argument, but partner can also try 3N over 3♥ which rates to right more often when partner has a better sense of my hand type.

[SteveMoe]

Hmmmm...
I've got 3 strong cover cards (In and out valuation)
Partner has 7 losers at worst.
These are the limit raise hands that bid 4♥ opposite partner's 2♥ rebid and make.

[flytoox]

What would 2S mean if discussed? Should it be this kind of raise, or showing minors? Do you know this kind of convention?

Codo, on 2012-November-15, 03:00, said:

I would raise too, 2 ♠ if this was discussed, 3 ♥ if not. This hand looks like an invitation opposite an opening with 6 hearts. Not more, not less.

[Codo]

I am horrible bad in guessing what the majority does, but here I would bet that "minors" is by far the most used meaning for 2 ♠.

[Phil]

flytoox, on 2012-November-15, 21:28, said:

What would 2S mean if discussed? Should it be this kind of raise, or showing minors? Do you know this kind of convention?

I believe genius (er, BBF) standard plays

1♥ - 1N
2♥ - 2♠

as minors.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

flytoox, on 2012-November-14, 20:58, said:

Haven't been here for a while. This is a board I played last week and I think it is an interesting one to discuss.

Playing 2/1， you sit south and are dealt the following hand

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Pd opened 1H, you responded with 1N, pd bid 2H. Now what do you do?

Fred G suggested a "souped up" version of the impossible Spade where 2NT! then asks Responder to clarify .
His example involved a 2D rebid by Opener :
1H - 1NT!
2D - 2S!

You can play that 2S means either :
1) a strong diamond raise or
2) a good 3C bid. If responder has a lesser hand with long clubs, he bids 3C directly over 2D.

After 2S! :
2NT! ( asks ) - ??

- 3C = good Club hand ( direct 3C over 2D would be a lesser hand )
- 3D = strong Diam raise

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For the given problem I suggest :
1H - 1NTF
2H - 2S! = various hands
2NT! = asks for clarification - ??

- 3C = both minors
- 3H = doubleton ♥ limit raise

[ The 3 card limit raise would be a direct 3H over 2H ]

[JLOGIC]

I would just bid 3H, anything else just seems like an overbid. 3N might hit a home run but it seems absurd unless we open very sound.

[PhilKing]

JLOGIC, on 2012-November-16, 12:32, said:

I would just bid 3H, anything else just seems like an overbid. 3N might hit a home run but it seems absurd unless we open very sound.

Tight is right.

I ran a few hands which worked for my style (2M opening 8-11), but not so well for the looser standard style, even though I just envisage xx AKxxxx xxx Kx.

One thing that surprises me is the lack of support for 2NT ...

[fromageGB]

I think it depends on the strength range of opener's 2♥ rebid. For me it is a max 14 hcp, so I pass. If it could be stronger, then I think 3♥ is called for.

[aguahombre]

fromageGB, on 2012-November-17, 06:30, said:

I think it depends on the strength range of opener's 2♥ rebid. For me it is a max 14 hcp, so I pass. If it could be stronger, then I think 3♥ is called for.

It probably cannot be more than 14 in HCP, but I trust partner to look at the nature of her HCP and decide whether to pass, bid 3NT, or bid 4H. We also only have 10 HCP, but WOW!

[the hog]

Codo, on 2012-November-16, 01:56, said:

I am horrible bad in guessing what the majority does, but here I would bet that "minors" is by far the most used meaning for 2 ♠.

Yes, 2S here as 5/5 minors is a very common treatment.

[lycier]

I bid 3♥ to invite the game.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

lycier, on 2012-November-18, 03:43, said:

I bid 3♥ to invite the game.

寻找自己的错误才是学习桥牌的唯一进步方法。

Off topic: I plead ignorance.... What are all of those "little boxes" with numbers/letters in them ?

[fromageGB]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-November-18, 18:58, said:

寻找自己的错误才是学习桥牌的唯一进步方法。

Off topic: I plead ignorance.... What are all of those "little boxes" with numbers/letters in them ?

I don't see boxes in either the original post or yours, I see chinese/japanese characters. Pasting them into LibreOffice shows it to be "WenQuanYi Micro Hei" font. I guess the answer is simply that you do not have this font on your pc.

[helene_t]

PhilKing, on 2012-November-16, 18:58, said:

One thing that surprises me is the lack of support for 2NT ...

2NT is weird with such a suit-oriented hand and lack of diamond stopper.

I think 3♥ is clear, but if we are going to bid game it is almost certainly 4♥.

[PhilKing]

helene_t, on 2012-November-19, 07:30, said:

2NT is weird with such a suit-oriented hand and lack of diamond stopper.

I think 3♥ is clear, but if we are going to bid game it is almost certainly 4♥.

Why ever would we need a diamond stopper?

I don't see how this a suit-oriented hand. It's not as if we are ruffing anything, and no trumps will often make the same number of tricks as hearts. We need very little from partner to make 3NT, but 4♥ is a different matter.

If partner is 6322 no trumps is highly likely to be our best chance for game, and if partner is more distribution, he should insist on hearts anyway unless he has the AK of hearts. Sure, partner can bid 3NT over 3♥, but they are never doing so with Kxx AKJxxx Qxx x - they will bid Four Hearts and probably go one off, and they will often pass when we have nine on top.