[gnasher]

This is a hand from the Lederer, which is a hybrid of IMP and BAM scoring. The effect is that overtricks are worth more than at IMPs, but less than at matchpoints.

There are also prizes for best-bid, best-played, and best-defended hand. (Vampyr and Lamford ought to get a prize too, for the efficient way that they organise it.)

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West led a trump. I won, drew trumps in two rounds, and led a diamond to the queen. East (Zia) won the king and played a spade to West's ace. West played back a spade. I finessed, ruffed a diamond, crossed to a spade, ruffed a diamond, crossed in trumps, and led a club to the 10. LHO won the king, I claimed, and Zia said "It's a nothing hand."

Was he right?

[billw55]

I want to think about your actual question, but I am distracted by Zia's switch to a spade rather than a club, with this dummy in view (and despite partner bidding the suit).

[gnasher]

billw55, on 2012-October-03, 06:59, said:

I want to think about your actual question, but I am distracted by Zia's switch to a spade rather than a club, with this dummy in view (and despite partner bidding the suit).

Yes, he would deserve the worst-defended hand prize for trying to let it through if I had ♣AQ9. In fact, though, I see from the hand-records that he had ♣9, so we can let him off that.

That wasn't what my question was about, anyway.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2012-October-03, 07:34

[dwar0123]

They have a working sac in diamonds?

[dwar0123]

Edit: double post

[JLOGIC]

On a club back you have the opportunity to play a spade to the king and play for Qx offside?

[PhilKing]

I am baffled as to why you have created this thread - but I have faith it will turn out to be a fruitful and informative one.

[gnasher]

PhilKing, on 2012-October-03, 13:56, said:

I am baffled as to why you have created this thread - but I have faith it will turn out to be a fruitful and informative one.

Whilst you're waiting, you could try flicking through the pages of Play These Hands With Me.

[gszes]

from the standpoint of the contract and the lie of the cards he is right it is a nothing hand.

he is wrong to assume all tables would bid the hand the same way and your 4h making was
most likely the best result by far.

[phil_20686]

gnasher, on 2012-October-03, 06:39, said:

This is a hand from the Lederer, which is a hybrid of IMP and BAM scoring. The effect is that overtricks are worth more than at IMPs, but less than at matchpoints.

There are also prizes for best-bid, best-played, and best-defended hand. (Vampyr and Lamford ought to get a prize too, for the efficient way that they organise it.)

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West led a trump. I won, drew trumps in two rounds, and led a diamond to the queen. East (Zia) won the king and played a spade to West's ace. West played back a spade. I finessed, ruffed a diamond, crossed to a spade, ruffed a diamond, crossed in trumps, and led a club to the 10. LHO won the king, I claimed, and Zia said "It's a nothing hand."

Was he right?

Perhaps west has the KJ of clubs, and it was cold off if rho returns a club before the spades are eliminated? Did he win the K to make Zia feel better about the spade switch? Alternatively, west could have stiff K of clubs.

Thats all I got.

[MickyB]

I haven't checked if it stands up to any analysis, but perhaps you were worried Zia had switched to Qx spade.

[PhilKing]

gnasher, on 2012-October-03, 14:33, said:

Whilst you're waiting, you could try flicking through the pages of Play These Hands With Me.

Don't need to flick the pages - the hands are all in my 4000 hand play database.

I am waiting to see if this is a contender for 4001.

Some information for contender hands has to be included. For instance, what did West discard on the second trump? Or did he follow, having led from two small? Some critical pieces of the jigsaw are missing. I am still missing a sense of significance here.

The Qx thing doesn't really resonate.

[gnasher]

The East-West hands were AQ653 8 A1075 K85 and 94 Q9 KJ864 J973. What I had in mind was a defensive possibility, identical to one described by Reese.

[MickyB]

If West pitches down to Kx club then ducks it you might go off playing for the over?

[MickyB]

East has to play CJ at T12 looking like he has KJ left

[PhilKing]

OK - I will enter the hand into my database.

[gnasher]

Yes. I'd kept ♥2 in case both clubs were onside. In the deal described by Reese, he reached the same ending and West ducked, but East didn't play the jack at trick 12, so Reese dropped the king offside.

I tried to claim the best-defended-hand prize for noticing this possibility at the table, but Lamford rather woodenly insisted that only defenders were eligible for this prize.

[MickyB]

gnasher, on 2012-October-03, 17:16, said:

I tried to claim the best-defended-hand prize for noticing this possibility at the table, but Lamford rather woodenly insisted that only defenders were eligible for this prize.

Shame about Zia's comment, he could've claimed he had it all planned from the time he played the spade back - I am yet to find any other merit to the play!

[Zelandakh]

This looks like something that ought to go into the defensive falsecards database. Can you perhaps give a short write-up of what needs to be in place for it to be correct to go up with the jack here, Andy?

[JLOGIC]

Zelandakh, on 2012-October-04, 06:20, said:

This looks like something that ought to go into the defensive falsecards database. Can you perhaps give a short write-up of what needs to be in place for it to be correct to go up with the jack here, Andy?

It is playing the card you are known to have. This is important at trick TWELVE when you want declarer to play you for another card also lol for obvious reasons.

One that comes up more often is xx opp AJ9xxx. You play low to the 9 and it loses to an honor. You lead another one up...if it goes low on your right and you need 5 tricks you have to go up with the ace. So of course, RHO with Tx remaining should always play the ten, it is mandatory.