Assuming 1D shows 4M and an unbalanced hand, i.e. a longer minor or 4441 shape, or a variable NT range (11-13 or 14-16 depending on vul/seat), what should the continuations be? Yes, I tried searching.
Courtesy of Bertheau and Nystrom I have:-
1♦-1♥ (nat or relay):
1♠=11-15, 5+m and 4♠, 1NT=BAL, not 4♥, 2♣=4♥ not BAL, 2♦=Max, 4♠ 3♥ +SPL, 2♥=BAL 4♥, 2♠=12-16, 4144, 2NT=Max, 6♦4♥, 3♣=Max, 6♣ 4♥
1♦-1♠ (nat):
1NT=BAL w/o 4♠ or 1444
2m= 5+suit w/ 4♥. and 0-2♠
2H.=4S. any hand
2S.=11-14, 4H. 3S. + SPL
2NT=Good Max w/ SPL and 3S
3.=Max 6+suit w/ 4S
3.=Max 6+suit w/ 4S
Obviously this needs some fleshing out, or alternatively maybe you can think of something better entirely. I'm particularly dubious about the 1D-1S-1NT sequence. This could evidently be anywhere between a flat 11 count and a 1444 15 or even 16.
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Precision 1D: 4M unbal or bal. Developments?
#2
Posted 2012-July-18, 06:49
This is what we play. The difference is that we don't use relays over 1♦, so the 1♥ response is natural. Because of this we we change the responses slightly. Also, after 1♦ - 1♠ we rebid 2♣/♦ with 1444 if we are out of the balanced range. If we're in the balanced range we can choose between 1NT and 2♣/♦.
After 1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ the responses are
1NT relay, 11+
2♣ P/C
2♦ 9-12 with 4 spades, continue over a signoff with max
2♥ 9-12 six hearts, compare w. 3♥
2♠ 5-8
2NT GF spade raise
3♣/♦ 4♥ 6m invite
3♥ 11-12 6 hearts good suit
After 1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ - 1NT
2♣/♦ 11-13 5+minor, 4 spades, 0-2 hearts
2♥ 11-13 5+minor, 4 spades, 3 hearts. Now 2♠ asks for the suit, 2NT is nat non-forcing and 3♣ is P/C
2♠ 11-13 4144
2NT 14-15 4315
3♣ 14-15 4351
3♦ 14-15 4225
3♥ 14-15 4252
3♠ 14-15 4135
3NT 14-15 4153
Over the 14-15 showing bids the lower bids show longer hearts so repsonder can set hearts by bidding 3♥
After 1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ the responses are
1NT relay, 11+
2♣ P/C
2♦ 9-12 with 4 spades, continue over a signoff with max
2♥ 9-12 six hearts, compare w. 3♥
2♠ 5-8
2NT GF spade raise
3♣/♦ 4♥ 6m invite
3♥ 11-12 6 hearts good suit
After 1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ - 1NT
2♣/♦ 11-13 5+minor, 4 spades, 0-2 hearts
2♥ 11-13 5+minor, 4 spades, 3 hearts. Now 2♠ asks for the suit, 2NT is nat non-forcing and 3♣ is P/C
2♠ 11-13 4144
2NT 14-15 4315
3♣ 14-15 4351
3♦ 14-15 4225
3♥ 14-15 4252
3♠ 14-15 4135
3NT 14-15 4153
Over the 14-15 showing bids the lower bids show longer hearts so repsonder can set hearts by bidding 3♥
#3
Posted 2012-July-18, 06:50
You could certainly start with a "skip bid" base which seems to work quite well opposite this kind of opening:-
1♥ = <4 hearts
... - 1♠ = 4 spades
... - 1NT = nat
... - 2♣ = clubs and hearts
... - 2♦ = diamonds and hearts
1♠ = 4+ hearts, <4 spades
... - 1NT = nat
... - 2♣ = clubs and spades
... - 2♦ = diamonds and spades
... - 2♥ = nat raise
Any of 1NT, 2♣ and/or 2♦ can handle the hands with 4+ hearts and 4+ spades and any unused bids can be employed to catch any awkward hand types.
1♥ = <4 hearts
... - 1♠ = 4 spades
... - 1NT = nat
... - 2♣ = clubs and hearts
... - 2♦ = diamonds and hearts
1♠ = 4+ hearts, <4 spades
... - 1NT = nat
... - 2♣ = clubs and spades
... - 2♦ = diamonds and spades
... - 2♥ = nat raise
Any of 1NT, 2♣ and/or 2♦ can handle the hands with 4+ hearts and 4+ spades and any unused bids can be employed to catch any awkward hand types.
(-: Zel :-)
#4
Posted 2012-July-18, 08:10
Do you intend some catchall continue-to-explore
as NmF, Checkback, XYZ?
Or natural rebids not reserving some rebid to
explore? Rather a seat-of-the-pants scheme.
Reserving some general exploring bid frees
up other bids to be clear.
Flesh it out that way seems best.
as NmF, Checkback, XYZ?
Or natural rebids not reserving some rebid to
explore? Rather a seat-of-the-pants scheme.
Reserving some general exploring bid frees
up other bids to be clear.
Flesh it out that way seems best.
#5
Posted 2012-July-20, 14:10
I would ask a different question for playing such a 1♦ opening:
Can responder limit his hand so that opener's rebids do not get us too high?
My answer (playing such a 1♦ opening with two partners):
1♥ = Usually 4 or more ♥, may have longer ♠, may be very weak with 3♥ and 0-2 ♦
1♠ = denies 4♥ and less than invitational values (limit raise)
1NT = 6-9 hcp
2♣ = 0-9 hcp and 9 cards or more in the minors: Pass or correct
3♣ = 10-11 hcp (LR) and 9 cards or more in the minors: G.I.
2♦ = LR with or without a 4-cd major or ♦ support
2♥/♠ = G.I. playable opposite a singleton trump
2NT = G.F. asking for singleton or void
3NT = To play
Opener's rebids: 1NT = balanced or 4441 with 1 in responder's suit
2♣ or 2♦ = 5 or 6 in the minor and 4 in the other major
Can responder limit his hand so that opener's rebids do not get us too high?
My answer (playing such a 1♦ opening with two partners):
1♥ = Usually 4 or more ♥, may have longer ♠, may be very weak with 3♥ and 0-2 ♦
1♠ = denies 4♥ and less than invitational values (limit raise)
1NT = 6-9 hcp
2♣ = 0-9 hcp and 9 cards or more in the minors: Pass or correct
3♣ = 10-11 hcp (LR) and 9 cards or more in the minors: G.I.
2♦ = LR with or without a 4-cd major or ♦ support
2♥/♠ = G.I. playable opposite a singleton trump
2NT = G.F. asking for singleton or void
3NT = To play
Opener's rebids: 1NT = balanced or 4441 with 1 in responder's suit
2♣ or 2♦ = 5 or 6 in the minor and 4 in the other major
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C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
#6
Posted 2012-July-21, 01:08
Zelandakh, on 2012-July-18, 06:50, said:
You could certainly start with a "skip bid" base which seems to work quite well opposite this kind of opening:-
1♥ = <4 hearts
... - 1♠ = 4 spades
... - 1NT = nat
... - 2♣ = clubs and hearts
... - 2♦ = diamonds and hearts
1♠ = 4+ hearts, <4 spades
... - 1NT = nat
... - 2♣ = clubs and spades
... - 2♦ = diamonds and spades
... - 2♥ = nat raise
Any of 1NT, 2♣ and/or 2♦ can handle the hands with 4+ hearts and 4+ spades and any unused bids can be employed to catch any awkward hand types.
1♥ = <4 hearts
... - 1♠ = 4 spades
... - 1NT = nat
... - 2♣ = clubs and hearts
... - 2♦ = diamonds and hearts
1♠ = 4+ hearts, <4 spades
... - 1NT = nat
... - 2♣ = clubs and spades
... - 2♦ = diamonds and spades
... - 2♥ = nat raise
Any of 1NT, 2♣ and/or 2♦ can handle the hands with 4+ hearts and 4+ spades and any unused bids can be employed to catch any awkward hand types.
Very nice idea.
I wonder if reversing the Majors would be better, because ♠s are most important. Use 1♥ to show <4♠ and 1♠ to show 4+♠. And after 1♦-1♥: 1♠ = 4♥ / 1NT = nat / 2m = 4♠ & 5+m
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