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#1 User is offline   BunnyGo 

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Posted 2012-March-24, 15:12

This was board 11 in the 2nd BBF Pairs event. I had the following hand, w/w in 4th seat:



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Posted 2012-March-24, 15:17

X and bid 3♦/2♠
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Posted 2012-March-24, 15:37

I'll try 3d not x.
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Posted 2012-March-25, 17:26

so i guess no more posts here, may we see the hands please?
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Posted 2012-March-25, 17:30

Wow.

I would bid 4NT for the minors over 2♥, and I would be sorely tempted to raise if partner bid 5 of either minor.

I do not see how you can conduct an intelligent auction on this hand by doubling (risking playing in 2♥x or risking further preemption by the opps) or by bidding 3♦(???). I don't know if my 4NT call is going to lead to success, but at least I can get 10 or 11 of my 12 cards off my chest in one call.
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Posted 2012-March-25, 17:42

View PostArtK78, on 2012-March-25, 17:30, said:

Wow.

I would bid 4NT for the minors over 2♥, and I would be sorely tempted to raise if partner bid 5 of either minor.

I do not see how you can conduct an intelligent auction on this hand by doubling (risking playing in 2♥x or risking further preemption by the opps) or by bidding 3♦(???). I don't know if my 4NT call is going to lead to success, but at least I can get 10 or 11 of my 12 cards off my chest in one call.


This is indeed what I was thinking too. My thoughts in raising 5♣ to 6 were that:

1) If partner has a stiff diamond...slam is a decent shot.

2) If partner has 2 small diamonds (let alone Kx)...slam is at worst about 50-50

3) If partner has any 3 diamonds but bid clubs anyways...slam is great!

Here's the whole hand. It made 7 on the 2-2-2 diamond split.
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Posted 2012-March-25, 17:47

As I expected if we bid 3d we get another bid later.


we can always bid 6c over 4h by opp.

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btw off topic how the heck do you create a link with words as you did in your post?


can you PM me please sometime....thanks
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Posted 2012-March-25, 18:48

My partner bid 6♦ on this hand, which I duly raised to 7♦ with ♦K9, perhaps with more confidence than was warranted. ;) But it got us a nice top.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 04:45

6 ♦ is a nice idea. Needs a yrb. with diamonds 2-2-2 around the table or with partner holding 3 diamonds.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 05:12

View Postmgoetze, on 2012-March-25, 18:48, said:

My partner bid 6♦ on this hand, which I duly raised to 7♦ with ♦K9, perhaps with more confidence than was warranted. ;) But it got us a nice top.

I agree with your partner ;)
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Posted 2012-March-26, 09:14

View Postmike777, on 2012-March-25, 17:47, said:


btw off topic how the heck do you create a link with words as you did in your post?
can you PM me please sometime....thanks

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Posted 2012-March-26, 09:24

Click on the button next to the smiley face on the top (not the right), the one that looks like a chain with a green plus under it. Follow the instructions.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 09:51

Any discussion about 4N v 4♥?
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Posted 2012-March-26, 10:33

View PostPhil, on 2012-March-26, 09:51, said:

Any discussion about 4N v 4♥?


OK, you start. ;)
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Posted 2012-March-26, 10:42

View Postmgoetze, on 2012-March-26, 10:33, said:

OK, you start. ;)


4♥ = BIG hand with both minors.
4N = Good hand with both minors.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 10:43

View PostPhil, on 2012-March-26, 09:51, said:

Any discussion about 4N v 4♥?

Not sure I would like to play in either contract.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 15:58

View PostPhil, on 2012-March-26, 09:51, said:

Any discussion about 4N v 4♥?

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