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#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2011-January-14, 06:30


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Yesterday I had a hand like the above. What do you call?
DBL's is takeout, but partner will often pass it. 4NT is 2-suited, but maybe you can also bid that with 3 suit?
What change is needed to your hand to change the bid between pass <=> DBL/4NT?
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Posted 2011-January-14, 07:43

Pass. Double will lead to some really good scores (mostly when partner bids) but more bad scores. At IMPs I would double.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-January-14, 09:07

I would double at any form of scoring. You'd have to take away at least a Q for me to pass.
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Posted 2011-January-14, 11:49

If you don't double on these hands you get robbed blind. Obvious double.
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Posted 2011-January-14, 12:39

View Posthan, on 2011-January-14, 07:43, said:

Pass. Double will lead to some really good scores (mostly when partner bids) but more bad scores. At IMPs I would double.


Really?

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Posted 2011-January-14, 14:10

Double for take-out looks completely normal.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 06:34

when I read han's post I really though he was kust joking saying pass, because double would lead to a good result and poor opponents don't deserve it or something like. I though all serious players would double here.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 06:59

this seems to be a thread between pass and dble, I thought it was going to be between dble and 4N :P

I would dble. I would imagine that when partner passes -1 and = are both fairly common. I would imagine the long term expectation is not that high in that respect, but if partner can bid, then your almost certainly onto a massive win with this hand.

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or something could be a double game swing.

EDIT: I didnt notice it was MP. In that case I think it its probably close to a pass. +200 would be a massive win, but you will get plenty of field protection in 4s-1 undoubled. Also, rho will have a better hand to raise the preempt normally at MP particularly are red vs green. I would still dble, but it feels close now.
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Posted 2011-January-15, 16:42

partner had a 3334 and 4 or 6 pts and passed
4SX made.
(...I don't remember her actual hand :( )
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Posted 2011-January-15, 17:38

The actual hand doesn't matter, partner should always pass with 3334.
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Posted 2011-January-22, 08:01

Pass . No need to gamble yet :)
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Posted 2011-January-22, 08:02

View Postthe hog, on 2011-January-14, 11:49, said:

If you don't double on these hands you get robbed blind. Obvious double.


The joke will be on you when you find out rho has a strong hand :) and your pd passes 4spades x or you get xed in 5 of anything :).

No need to gamble yet :) plenty of money in the bank.
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Posted 2011-January-22, 09:05

I double, in any form of scoring.

Even after i just read that 4♠ doubled making.
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Posted 2011-January-22, 13:15

The hand is very defensive... think I'd pass, but dbl might work out fine here.
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Posted 2011-January-23, 19:33

I don't know whether or not RHO has a decent hand. If so, we could be in trouble.

Depending on who my partner and opponents are, I would pass or double. I would like to bid 4NT for 3 suits.
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Posted 2011-January-25, 23:02

It is very tempting to bid something. As I remember, most of the time pass is the right thing to do.
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Posted 2011-January-25, 23:19

View PostYogeshdg, on 2011-January-22, 08:01, said:

Pass . No need to gamble yet :)


What do you mean "Gamble yet"? If you are not going to double do you think your partner will? Dream on.
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Posted 2011-January-26, 02:24

View PostYogeshdg, on 2011-January-22, 08:01, said:

Pass . No need to gamble yet :)

"Yet"?? The auction is over if we pass!

I'd Dbl. Seeing the description of Dbl, Koen already told us that Dbl would work out poorly. :P
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