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After a Forcing NT Several options (?)

#21 User is offline   MrAce 

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Posted 2010-December-23, 00:22

View Postewleongusa, on 2010-December-22, 12:11, said:

Why wouldn't you bid the straight forward 3C? You do have six decent clubs which is what your bid says and you keep the bidding open is case partner has a good hand that is not strong enough to make a forcing jump shift.

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I play invitation jump shifts, probably much b4 than it was popular. However this hand does not really qualify for it for me. We don't have invitation values, neither an impressive suit that covers this fact.The main purpose of this bid is to catch 3NT with a little help in that suit or at least xxx. Also starting with 3 here , will mislead pd in some other areas.

A suit like AKxxxx and a side Q/K, AQJxxx a side Q or K, AJT98x and side Queens or Kings.

The current hand does not offer 6 tricks in NT when pd holds A or K, no need to mention it is very vulnerable if the lead forces our Ace. Usually the invitation jump shifts show 8-11 hcp. But thats for bean counters.

AKJTxx is a good example for 8 hcp jump, but the more suit is crappy the more u wanna be in the upper range. With the current hand, since my suit is not that impressive i would like to have for instance, at least Q too. But as i said thats how i play it, i dunno other people's standarts.

Back to the answer to the topic question. Thats a 2 bid for me. We tend to bid 2minor with 6-4 hands, and 2 allows much more flexibility in the bidding for pd as Phil kinda mentioned it, and sometimes 5-2 fit plays as good as 6-2 fit when played 1 level lower, ohh of course i have to add disaster theory too, 5-2 fit or more is guaranteed with 2 bid, does 3 give us that security ? At 1 level higher ? Especially after pd showed at least 9 cards majors ? I doubt it. :) (i am talking about 3 after 2 bid here]
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Posted 2010-December-26, 07:03

isnt the normal reason to bid 2s is that partner can be 6-4? If he has a 15/16 6-4 he will obviously bid 2h next being not strong enough for GF and not wishing to conceal a 4 card suit by bidding 3s. Thus when partner is 6-4 he can be good enough to raise 2s to 3s, and since you would certainly raise to 4s in that case it is very important that you bid 2s with these hands. ALWAYS.

You should never bid 3C with Hx spade. If your spades are xx and your clubs very good then it can be close as teh part score gain could start to be significant, but it never will be with Jx spades and Axx hearts.
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