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#1 User is offline   xcurt 

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Posted 2008-June-13, 15:45

OK, In the same set as the awful 3NT, I had this hand.

Scoring: XIMP



lho pd rho you
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-- 1 1 Dbl
P 1 2 2
3 3 4 ?

I didn't have a good feel for this hand when I picked it up and I'm not sure I like how I bid it.

1) Do you agree with your actions so far?
2) What now?
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Posted 2008-June-13, 16:19

Normally, your double of 1 shows 4-4 in the majors. Is that your agreement?

I find the opponents' bidding up to 4 in the face of your heart holding very unsettling. The question is, are your hearts good enough to beat 4?

I am going to double 4. It may make, but I only need partner to come up with 2 tricks to beat 4. I fully expect to score 2 trump tricks.

Partner did open the bidding. He doesn't appear to have done so on a wildly distributional hand, or else you might have heard about it by now.

I don't believe we are making 4. Given the auction, partner might have bid it already if we were making.

Lead a club and hope that is good enough.
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Posted 2008-June-13, 16:21

I'd pass.
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Posted 2008-June-13, 18:44

ArtK78, on Jun 13 2008, 05:19 PM, said:

Normally, your double of 1 shows 4-4 in the majors.  Is that your agreement?

Typical BBO no-discussion partnership. Maybe the decision after 1C-1D is the most interesting

* pass?
* 1S?
* Dbl?
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Posted 2008-June-13, 18:49

xcurt, on Jun 13 2008, 07:44 PM, said:

ArtK78, on Jun 13 2008, 05:19 PM, said:

Normally, your double of 1 shows 4-4 in the majors.  Is that your agreement?

Typical BBO no-discussion partnership. Maybe the decision after 1C-1D is the most interesting

* pass?
* 1S?
* Dbl?

I would have bid 1S fwiw.
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Posted 2008-June-13, 18:53

I would have passed 2, assuming I X'd the first time. Now we're screwed. We're gonna take 1 club, and two hearts (straight or ruff, doesn't matter), and if I don't X partner's gonna do it for me, because he thinks I have a 10 count with 4 spades, not a 4 count with 10, er, 6 spades.

Out in left field again, huh?
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Posted 2008-June-13, 19:42

need to know the agreement for X but i would probably pass. The possible agreements for the X i know are

1- at least 43 in the majors.
2- at least 4-4 in the majors all shapes.
3- at least 4-4 in the majors (equal or longer hearts.)
4- exactly 4H (because 1H show 5+)
5- a 4M and 4 clubs.
6- beginner often play that a 1M show 5 so they X with any 4M hands.


I prefer 4 & i really hate 2&6. With 5S and 4H i really think the best bid is 1S unless you plan to make only 1 bid. With 6S and 4H i would have bid 1S but this hand is too weak so i would have passed.
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Posted 2008-June-14, 01:39

xcurt, on Jun 14 2008, 02:44 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jun 13 2008, 05:19 PM, said:

Normally, your double of 1 shows 4-4 in the majors.  Is that your agreement?

Typical BBO no-discussion partnership. Maybe the decision after 1C-1D is the most interesting

* pass?
* 1S?
* Dbl?

Yes it is. I double in that context.

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Posted 2008-June-14, 04:08

I'd have bid 1. Hearts are unlikely to play better unless partner is 1=4 in the majors.

Having doubled, 2 seems obvious on the second round and pass seems correct now. They've bid 4 knowing that I have four, so I have no great surprise for them. Against that, they haven't had much space for exploration, so saving would express more confidence in their auction than it merits.

I'd be surprised if partner doubled, but if he does I'll be happy.
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Posted 2008-June-15, 11:24

xcurt, on Jun 13 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

Scoring: XIMP

OK, In the same set as the awful 3NT, I had this hand.
  --  1 (1) _X
(_P) 1 (2) 2
(3) 3 (4) ??
I didn't have a good feel for this hand when I picked it up and I'm not sure I like how I bid it.
1) Do you agree with your actions so far?
2) What now?


IMO
  • Over 1, _X = 10, 1 = 8, _P = 7.
  • Over 4, _P = 10, _X = 8, 4 = 4
I've got little to spare and I've told partner what I've got so let him decide.
4 is inadvisable mainly because it may prompt partner to compete further.
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