[deep]

system natural 4°Major

1° hand
1♥-(p) - ?

Scoring: MP

Tournament pair

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2°hand
(p)-1♥- (p)- ?

Scoring: MP

Tournament pair

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Tthink to bid in both the hands 1♠ but I'm not secure. Help!!!

[helene_t]

The problem with bidding 1♠ is that if p bids the minor you don't have, you can't bid your minor because that would be the fourth suit forcing convention.

If you want to bid your long minor but don't play weak jump shifts (or don't find these hands suitable for a weak jump shift, at least hand 2 is not suited for a weak jump shift I would say), you can start with pass or 1NT and then maybe introduce your suit next round.

With hand 1 I would pass, planning to bid 3♣ next round.

With hand 2 I would bid 1NT, planning to bid 2♦ if partner rebids 2♣.

Concealing a 4-card spades is of course less attractive for the 4-card majorites than for the 5-card majorites since opener might have an 18-19 hand with 4-4 in the majors, in which case the spades fit will probably get lost. Maybe with hand 2 it is ok to bid 1♠ and then 2♥ over p's 2♣, based on the theory that a stiff K is like a doubleton. Anyway, before deciding to bid 1♠ you need to consider what to do if p bids the minor you don't have.

(If Josh says I need to sign up for point-counter anonymous help group sessions he is probably right).

[deep]

helene_t, on Jun 16 2008, 07:20 AM, said:

The problem with bidding 1♠ is that if p bids the minor you don't have, you can't bid your minor because that would be the fourth suit forcing convention.

If you want to bid your long minor but don't play weak jump shifts (or don't find these hands suitable for a weak jump shift, at least hand 2 is not suited for a weak jump shift I would say), you can start with pass or 1NT and then maybe introduce your suit next round.

With hand 1 I would pass, planning to bid 3♣ next round.

With hand 2 I would bid 1NT, planning to bid 2♦ if partner rebids 2♣.

Concealing a 4-card spades is of course less attractive for the 4-card majorites than for the 5-card majorites since opener might have an 18-19 hand with 4-4 in the majors, in which case the spades fit will probably get lost. Maybe with hand 2 it is ok to bid 1♠ and then 2♥ over p's 2♣, based on the theory that a stiff K is like a doubleton. Anyway, before deciding to bid 1♠ you need to consider what to do if p bids the minor you don't have.

(If Josh says I need to sign up for point-counter anonymous help group sessions he is probably right).

Meanwhile thanks for the interest. Perhaps I did not understood well ... I cannot write for ask help in this forum?
1° hand if I pass and west pass North play 1♥ only with singleton 2?

[hotShot]

deep, on Jun 16 2008, 02:51 PM, said:

Meanwhile thanks for the interest. Perhaps I did not understood well ... I cannot write for ask help in this forum?
1° hand if I pass and west pass North play 1♥ only with singleton 2?

Yes, with 2 queens you are to weak to act and it's unlikely that opps stay silent if they hold combined 23+ HCP. And if they are, your partner can play without dbl.

[Codo]

1. hand pass and if all pass I am happy to play there.
THe chance that the contract improves if I bid are there, but the cchances that I avoid a disaster with passing are higher.

2. 1 NT
This is "right from the bridge book". If you bid 1 Spade, the most common answers from partner are: 1 NT, 2 Club and 2 Heart.
All these answers are really bad for you. So you take the little risk and conceal your 4 card major and bid 1 NT followed by pass, 2 or 3 Diamond. If you have a bid that shows a weak one suiter in a minor in your system, the use this of course.

[deep]

Codo, on Jun 16 2008, 08:14 AM, said:

1. hand pass and if all pass I am happy to play there.
THe chance that the contract improves if I bid are there, but the cchances that I avoid a disaster with passing are higher.

2. 1 NT
This is "right from the bridge book". If you bid 1 Spade, the most common answers from partner are: 1 NT, 2 Club and 2 Heart.
All these answers are really bad for you. So you take the little risk and conceal your 4 card major and bid 1 NT followed by pass, 2 or 3 Diamond. If you have a bid that shows a weak one suiter in a minor in your system, the use this of course.

Thanks one thousand thanks for the help you are been very kind and exhaustive!!

[deep]

hotShot, on Jun 16 2008, 08:12 AM, said:

deep, on Jun 16 2008, 02:51 PM, said:

Meanwhile thanks for the interest.   Perhaps I did not understood well ... I cannot write for ask help in this forum?
1° hand if I pass and west pass North play 1♥ only with singleton 2?

Yes, with 2 queens you are to weak to act and it's unlikely that opps stay silent if they hold combined 23+ HCP. And if they are, your partner can play without dbl.

Thanks one thousand thanks for the help. You are been very kind and exhaustive!!

[Apollo81]

1. If you respond 1♠ then you usually will not be able to bid clubs later, so you should either pass or try to bid clubs weakly (usually 1NT followed by 3♣). If you play 2/1 and don't play invitational or weak jump shifts then this is a very wide ranging sequence. In such a scenario, I would pass the opening bid. If I was playing weak or invitational jump shifts then I would take whatever path leads to a weak 3♣ bid.

2. Here you could choose either to bid 1NT then diamonds or 1♠ then correct clubs to hearts. The second path is available because your hand is better and your singleton is a top honor. I would probably choose the second path here, but I have no strong opinion.