[andy_h]

Playing against decent opponents, you hold:

Scoring: IMP

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You are in 1st seat, playing 2/1 and the auction goes as follows:

P---P---1S---2H
P---P---X-----P
?

Your bid.

[jdonn]

2♠, and in fact I find it difficult to imagine a reasonable alternative.

[Apollo81]

If I'm playing Lebensohl here I'd bid 3♣ to show a max for my lack of previous bidding (jn fact if playing this I'd give it a WTP since I could have xx xxxx xxx xxxx for a 2♠ bid). Otherwise I'd bid 2♠.

[skjaeran]

2♠. We know we're in a decent fit, as opposed to after a 3♣ bid.

[han]

Ditto Josh.

[benlessard]

Clear 2S the turn earlier (even im partner sometimes open crap in 3rd seat).

Before partner X it a reasonnable assumption to think partner is going to be short in H. My hand is great. I have 9pts all working a Qx support so its an easy 2S.

Once i pass and see the X i regret my previous mistake of passing and bid a chicken 2S.

[655321]

Agree with pass last turn.

Agree with 2♠ now.

[gnasher]

I probably wouldn't have thought of 2♠ the round before, but I quite like the idea. Pass followed by 2♠ is going to lead to missing a game occasionally, more often than that 2♠ will lead to game going down. The downside of an immediate 2♠ is that partner may compete to 3♠ when he shouldn't, but my heart length makes it less likely that the opponents will bid to the three level.

[andy_h]

I was thinking about what I would do in this position, and did end up thinking probably 2S (partner can be X-ing a bit offshape), but 2S means we could still have an awful hand. I didn't actually play that hand as I was sitting out. They were also discussing about this hand should do a X on the previous round (directly over 2H). I had thought it's a bit aggressive given partner can open pretty light in 3rd seat NV. What do people think of that?

[jdonn]

We just had a thread on this but I would NOT bid 2♠ the round before. The most likely thing it causes to happen is partner to compete to 3♠ over 3♥ when he shouldn't. I don't know why people don't see this.

[FrancesHinden]

If I was going to act on the previous round, I would have doubled.
Now I think about it, I quite fancy double on the previous round...

This assumes that partner bids 2S on all mins and will only bid 3m with extra values.

[gnasher]

FrancesHinden, on Jun 8 2008, 05:39 PM, said:

If I was going to act on the previous round, I would have doubled.
Now I think about it, I quite fancy double on the previous round...

This assumes that partner bids 2S on all mins and will only bid 3m with extra values.

If we could assume that, double would be quite attractive. Am I behind the times in expecting that partner will bid 3♦ with a 5143 minimum and average spades?

[gnasher]

jdonn, on Jun 8 2008, 05:31 PM, said:

We just had a thread on this but I would NOT bid 2♠ the round before. The most likely thing it causes to happen is partner to compete to 3♠ over 3♥ when he shouldn't. I don't know why people don't see this.

For this to happen, they have to bid 3♥, which is less likely when I have length in the suit; and partner has to bid 3♠, which I agree is quite likely; and it has to be wrong for partner to have bid 3♠, which will depend on how good his spades are and how well his minor-suit cards fit mine.

Why do these three things constitute "the most likely thing"?

[jdonn]

gnasher, on Jun 8 2008, 12:57 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jun 8 2008, 05:31 PM, said:

We just had a thread on this but I would NOT bid 2♠ the round before. The most likely thing it causes to happen is partner to compete to 3♠ over 3♥ when he shouldn't. I don't know why people don't see this.

For this to happen, they have to bid 3♥, which is less likely when I have length in the suit; and partner has to bid 3♠, which I agree is quite likely; and it has to be wrong for partner to have bid 3♠, which will depend on how good his spades are and how well his minor-suit cards fit mine.

Why do these three things constitute "the most likely thing"?

If they don't bid 3♥ there is a much better chance that you are already declaring when neither side has a fit and you could have been defending.

Tell me what auction you think is more likely.

[gnasher]

jdonn, on Jun 8 2008, 08:19 PM, said:

Tell me what auction you think is more likely.

  1♠ 2♥ 2♠ all pass

[benlessard]

P---P---1S---2H
P---P---X-----P
2S--P---P----P

making 4 is quite likely too. For me this was a direct 2S wtp raises (making a neg X is begging to play 3D in 4-3 fit). Ive been doing them for quite a while and i have found no reason to complain. At imps it allow you to bid game and at MP it allow you to play good partscore. Im a bit surprised they are unpopular.

http://forums.bridge...opic=25484&st=0

This is also a hand where i was the lone ranger with a 2 card raise. People prefer to rebid clubs with AJ8xx instead of aiming at a 5-2 ---6-2 fit in 2S.