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Takeout or Penalty?

Poll: Takeout or Penalty? (39 member(s) have cast votes)

Takeout or Penalty?

  1. TO (11 votes [28.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.21%

  2. Penalty (17 votes [43.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.59%

  3. Something New-Age (11 votes [28.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.21%

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#21 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2008-June-06, 08:17

Compton doubled 4♠ on the auction with ♠KT9x, A, A, K while I was commentating. Hamman pulled with a 1=4=4=4 which was not successful.

A very reliable source told me privately that the double is supposed to be TO.
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Posted 2008-June-06, 13:39

pclayton, on Jun 6 2008, 09:17 AM, said:

Compton doubled 4♠ on the auction with ♠KT9x, A, A, K while I was commentating. Hamman pulled with a 1=4=4=4 which was not successful.

A very reliable source told me privately that the double is supposed to be TO.

Diametrically opposed to the previous quote (from the infromation point of view), I would welcome clarification.
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#23 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2008-June-06, 15:32

Halo, on Jun 6 2008, 11:39 AM, said:

pclayton, on Jun 6 2008, 09:17 AM, said:

Compton doubled 4♠ on the auction with ♠KT9x, A, A, K while I was commentating. Hamman pulled with a 1=4=4=4 which was not successful. 

A very reliable source told me privately that the double is supposed to be TO.

Diametrically opposed to the previous quote (from the infromation point of view), I would welcome clarification.

I have no idea what this means, sorry.
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Posted 2008-June-06, 15:47

I'd always play it as penalty, 4nt for t/o
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Posted 2008-June-06, 17:34

pclayton, on Jun 6 2008, 10:32 PM, said:

I have no idea what this means, sorry.

I think the point was this:

Edmunte1 said "I consider strategically wrong to play this kind of double as a penality double... So i consider Hamman 100% guilty for this board."

PClayton said " Compton doubled 4♠ on the auction with ♠KT9x, A, A, K while I was commentating. Hamman pulled with a 1=4=4=4 which was not successful."

There seems to be some disagreement about which hand Hamman held.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-06, 23:38

gnasher, on Jun 7 2008, 01:34 AM, said:

pclayton, on Jun 6 2008, 10:32 PM, said:

I have no idea what this means, sorry.

I think the point was this:

Edmunte1 said "I consider strategically wrong to play this kind of double as a penality double... So i consider Hamman 100% guilty for this board."

PClayton said " Compton doubled 4♠ on the auction with ♠KT9x, A, A, K while I was commentating. Hamman pulled with a 1=4=4=4 which was not successful."

There seems to be some disagreement about which hand Hamman held.

On the BBO VuGraph, it was Compton who doubled as South, and Hamman, as North, that pulled with 1-4-4-4.
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Posted 2008-June-07, 06:12

Well clearly Compton should not have doubled and taken the easy plus.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-07, 11:41

This would be strength showing for me. Or convertible, whatever you like to call it. Partner will pass most often, but bid with a shapely hand. 4NT would be purely t/o.
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