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p-(4h)-5c-(p)-5d: natural or cuebid?
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Posted 2008-May-30, 09:54
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Posted 2008-May-30, 10:14
Partner probably has some diamonds but didn't promise any.
If it went P-(4♥)-5♣-(X); 5♦ I'd be willing to call that natural. But this is a cuebid, imo.
If it went P-(4♥)-5♣-(X); 5♦ I'd be willing to call that natural. But this is a cuebid, imo.
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Posted 2008-May-30, 10:17
Natural. A 5♣ bid doesn't always have a good suit, so with a one-loser suit advancer should be allowed to correct. He has 5♥ and 5NT available as grand slam tries.
This post has been edited by gnasher: 2008-May-30, 10:18
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-May-30, 10:27
I cannot imagine this as natural unless it shows both pointed suits.
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Posted 2008-May-30, 10:39
Cuebid!
Oh wait...we hold void, KQJT Qxxxxxxxx void and we chose not to preempt.... Gotcha.
Oh wait...we hold void, KQJT Qxxxxxxxx void and we chose not to preempt.... Gotcha.
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Posted 2008-May-30, 10:40
gnasher, on May 30 2008, 08:17 AM, said:
Natural. A 5♣ bid doesn't always have a good suit, so with a one-loser suit advancer should be allowed to correct. He has 5♥ and 5NT available as grand slam tries.
Gnash, you did notice we were a PH?
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Posted 2008-May-30, 17:08
pclayton, on May 30 2008, 05:40 PM, said:
Gnash, you did notice we were a PH?
No I didn't. It's hard to picture any hand that would pass and then bid 5♦.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-May-30, 21:28
gnasher, on May 30 2008, 06:08 PM, said:
pclayton, on May 30 2008, 05:40 PM, said:
Gnash, you did notice we were a PH?
No I didn't. It's hard to picture any hand that would pass and then bid 5♦.
♠xxx ♥-- ♦AKJxx ♣xxxxx?
That might be a 2♦ opening for some.
♠xxxx ♥-- ♦AKJx ♣xxxxx?
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Posted 2008-May-31, 11:53
Cue.
I'd much rather discuss with partner how he could pass and bid 5D to play, rather than discuss how we missed the slam.
I'd much rather discuss with partner how he could pass and bid 5D to play, rather than discuss how we missed the slam.
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Posted 2008-May-31, 11:56
I think it's a cue even if he's not a passed hand.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-May-31, 12:28
Is there any hand with diamonds and spades that would pass in first chair and not pass 5♣ now? What about
Qxxxx x KQJ109xxx ---
Qxxxx x KQJ109xxx ---
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Posted 2008-May-31, 12:50
Apollo81, on May 31 2008, 11:28 AM, said:
Is there any hand with diamonds and spades that would pass in first chair and not pass 5♣ now? What about
Qxxxx x KQJ109xxx ---
Qxxxx x KQJ109xxx ---
I'd open that 1♦ personally.
to answer you question, no. Partner could have doubled or bid 4N. Instead she bid clubs. This should show some lack of flexibility as to diamonds, I think.
Chris Gibson
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