[dbsboy]

Scoring: IMP

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RHO opens 3♠, what will you bid now?

Will you bid anything else in other vulnerability/scoring?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

since I can overcall 4C naturally, and the hand is to
weak for 5C, I would pass.

If you can overcall 4C, than the bid is fine.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[dicklont]

Pass. With ♣Q instead of ♣J I would try 3NT.
Now I hope partner can double, in which case I pass again, expecting 500 or 800.

[Free]

Pass whatever my methods at 4-level are.

[hotShot]

My RHO just promised a weak hand with 6-7♠ I hold 4 so partner will be single or void in ♠ (more void i guess). I hold 6♣'s so partner is likely to be short in ♣ too. So he will hold 11+ (perhaps only 10) red cards.
If he thinks that his 6-5 distribution is strong enough to reopen (my partner would feel they should), I will hear a red 4-level bid, probably leading to a bigger disaster than 4♣ would.
After my 4♣ bid, my partner is warned, and since he has to put 5-6 ♠ between his partner and his RHO, he should expect me to be short in the reds.

[whereagles]

pass and 3NT over dbl.

[gnasher]

Jlall, on May 7 2008, 02:33 PM, said:

This was the most convoluted attempt at logic I have ever read.

I thought that was my speciality.

Have you emigrated to Europe, or do you just regard sleep as optional?

[awm]

I wouldn't bid 4♣ here. If we have a game, chances are that our best game is 3NT -- I have two possible spade stops and a source of tricks in clubs. But my red suit holdings are quite dubious and my spade stops are slow, and with the number of spades I have it seems likely that partner finds a balance a good percentage of the time that game is making. So I pass here.

Make my hand a bit better and I'd try 3NT.

As for partner having red suits, I think partner will often double with 2452 or 1552 or the like (give me a chance to convert or bid 3NT, possibly correcting 4♣ to 4♦ if I bid that). If partner overcalls 4♥ in balancing chair then hearts should be a fine strain (although I have a tough choice of whether to bid on or pass I suppose -- I would pass with no great degree of confidence).

[gnasher]

I'd bid 3NT. A10 and K10 in the red suits might be enough

[pclayton]

Jlall, on May 7 2008, 05:33 AM, said:

hotShot, on May 7 2008, 06:39 AM, said:

My RHO just promised a weak hand with 6-7♠ I hold 4 so partner will be single or void in ♠ (more void i guess). I hold 6♣'s so partner is likely to be short in ♣ too. So he will hold 11+ (perhaps only 10) red cards.
If he thinks that his 6-5 distribution is strong enough to reopen (my partner would feel they should), I will hear a red 4-level bid, probably leading to a bigger disaster than 4♣ would.
After my 4♣ bid, my partner is warned, and since he has to put 5-6 ♠ between his partner and his RHO, he should expect me to be short in the reds.

This was the most convoluted attempt at logic I have ever read.

Good thing this poster stopped the chain of reasoning, otherwise I'm sure we would have heard about pard's red-suit honors as well.

Pass for me too. 3N is too sick, although pclayton of old might have bid it.

[han]

Agree with pass and that 3NT is better than 4C.

[jdonn]

3NT, I just can't help myself! Let's dance.

[Apollo81]

jdonn, on May 7 2008, 12:56 PM, said:

3NT, I just can't help myself! Let's dance.

agree , would pass if ♠10 were any lower card

[Fluffy]

3NT, bid what you wanna play.

[Codo]

So the 3 NT bidders do bid 3 NT with this nice 14 HCPs hand and with

AQ, Ax, KQx,AKJTxx they bid.... 3 NT?

GL pd to figure this out. Maybe he must run to 4 in a minor to cut down the losses maybe he must bid 6 NT.

I understand that you have to bid 3 NT on many hands, but for me this hand is too weak.


PD should have short spades, so with most 10 HCPS or better hands he will make some noise. And I doubt that 3 NT is a favourite of making if he has less.

[awm]

Partner is not supposed to run from 3NT regardless of his hand. This might change if 3NT is doubled (probably good to play XX=doubt there). The people bidding 3NT on this hand are accepting that sometimes they will play 3NT down a bunch (undoubled) when partner puts down a poor hand.

There is some risk that partner, with good cards, wants to make a try for slam in case the 3NT bid is more similar to a 2NT opening. But it should be possible to get out in 4NT when this happens, which will make at least some of the time (partner should have at least 12 hcp or so for a slam try, so you have 26-27 and this possibly running club suit which might be enough for 4NT).

With that said, I think this hand is a bit weaker than what I'd like for a 3NT call. But it's not much weaker than my minimum 3NT.

[gnasher]

awm, on May 8 2008, 07:38 AM, said:

Partner is not supposed to run from 3NT regardless of his hand. This might change if 3NT is doubled (probably good to play XX=doubt there).

I think you should play redouble as balanced and doubt-showing. The time when you most need to involve partner is when you have a balanced hand and you want him to consider running to his own suit. With a long suit of your own, you can just run yourself.

[whereagles]

Codo, on May 8 2008, 06:23 AM, said:

So the 3 NT bidders do bid 3 NT with this nice 14 HCPs hand and with

AQ, Ax, KQx,AKJTxx they bid.... 3 NT?

GL pd to figure this out.

It's called "preempts work"