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asign the blame
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Posted 2008-April-24, 09:54
West North East South
Pass 1NT Pass 2♣
Pass 2♥ Pass 3NT
Pass 4♠ Dbl 5♥
Pass Pass Dbl 6♣
Pass 6NT Dbl Pass
Pass Pass
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Posted 2008-April-24, 09:58
3NT makes no sense. Why bid stayman if you're just going to bid 3NT when a major suit fit is found? North is right to think this shows spades....
While I think the blame goes to south, who made the worst bid of the auction, I don't really agree with north's 6NT call either. When partner's bidding crazy like this it's best to just pass; he has already run from both potential major suit fits in order to try 6♣, let him play there doubled (and at least he has to play it!)
While I think the blame goes to south, who made the worst bid of the auction, I don't really agree with north's 6NT call either. When partner's bidding crazy like this it's best to just pass; he has already run from both potential major suit fits in order to try 6♣, let him play there doubled (and at least he has to play it!)
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Posted 2008-April-24, 10:24
I don't get 6♣ either. Hey, you fooled them into doubling 5♥! Congrats!
I think North showed enormous patience.
I think North showed enormous patience.
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Posted 2008-April-24, 10:55
I'm not sure I "get" 6NT. That said, I can't divine a sane explanation for south's bidding. (But what do I know?)
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2008-April-24, 11:16
South 100% perhaps they thought 3nt showed a gf hand with ♥'s else it makes no sense.
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Posted 2008-April-24, 11:58
jillybean2, on Apr 24 2008, 12:16 PM, said:
South 100% perhaps they thought 3nt showed a gf hand with ♥'s else it makes no sense.
agreed
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Posted 2008-April-24, 13:52
Yep, south bid like a chicken without a head.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-April-24, 14:01
Perhaps an explanation for South's bidding is that he meant to bid 3♠ splinter (or generic strong raise) rather than 3NT, but he pulled the wrong card =) Given that explanation, the rest of South's bidding actually makes sense!
3/4 blame to 3NT and 1/4 blame to 6NT, for the reasons Adam said.
3/4 blame to 3NT and 1/4 blame to 6NT, for the reasons Adam said.
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Posted 2008-April-24, 17:37
Assign the blame? How hard is that?
I cannot give North any charge. Here's why, from North's perspective. Any partner who pulls 4♠X to a 4-3 heart fit one level higher, and then panicks and bids his 5-card minor at the six-level, with 4315 pattern, will not play 6♣ right.
I cannot give North any charge. Here's why, from North's perspective. Any partner who pulls 4♠X to a 4-3 heart fit one level higher, and then panicks and bids his 5-card minor at the six-level, with 4315 pattern, will not play 6♣ right.
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Posted 2008-April-24, 18:23
South's bidding rates as one of the craziest I have ever seen. I simply give him all the blame. End of story.
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Posted 2008-April-24, 18:43
inquiry, on Apr 25 2008, 07:23 AM, said:
South's bidding rates as one of the craziest I have ever seen. I simply give him all the blame. End of story.
Agree totally. Wth was 3NT? Lol Maybe he thought it was "Serious"????
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Posted 2008-April-24, 18:57
I think North gets the 100% blame for this hand and the rest of the hands played this session. I think this would be a good hand for transfer to clubs and bid hearts if you have that in your methods. Bidding Stayman planning to bid 3NT over 2♠ and else explore a heart or club game doesn't seem bad either. But 3NT over 2♥ is crazy.
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Posted 2008-April-24, 19:02
The_Hog, on Apr 24 2008, 06:43 PM, said:
inquiry, on Apr 25 2008, 07:23 AM, said:
South's bidding rates as one of the craziest I have ever seen. I simply give him all the blame. End of story.
Agree totally. Wth was 3NT? Lol Maybe he thought it was "Serious"????
Yes and for me it means I'd seriously be looking for a new PD for the next event.
OK N doesn't have to bid 6NT but based on the bidding and the fact that S ran from 5♥x, and many think that there's no way N can sit for what should be an auto double of 6♣ since the 6 level is the first time S mentioned them in a natural context ! however ....
90% South's fault as I don't bid 6NT as N since it's clear to me that I've basically bid my hand allready with my 3 bids and perhaps S has missclicked (or pulled the wrong cards out of the bidding box) Thus I"ll let S run from the penalty doubles as I have little idea what he holds.
.. neilkaz ..
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