[jillybean]

Here's a mistake I make often, can you guess where I went wrong?

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 Pass  1♥    1♠    3NT
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

D2 DJ DQ DA

[sceptic]

yes, I think that should be an "I" not an "a"

[Codo]

compared to Waynes observation there may be the possibility that 1 ♠ X will score significant better then 3 NT and that a first round pass and a later 3 NT bid (if pd reopens with a bid) will give partner a much better picture of our hand then a direct 3 NT bid.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

yes, Pass instead of 3NT.

But if you play with a pickup partner, 3NT
is fine.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jillybean]

Pickup partner here, I was meaning my mistake in the play of the hand rather than my shoddy bidding.

[vuroth]

1. You got stuck in dummy with uncashed winners in hand, after the A♦ got knocked out.

As an aside, I really don't think I would have sat for 3NT as north.

[Trumpace]

vuroth, on Apr 17 2008, 09:35 AM, said:

As an aside, I really don't think I would have sat for 3NT as north.

Why? What kind of hand do you think partner has for the 3NT bid?

[jillybean]

vuroth, on Apr 17 2008, 07:35 AM, said:

1. You got stuck in dummy with uncashed winners in hand, after the A♦ got knocked out.

As an aside, I really don't think I would have sat for 3NT as north.

no

[vuroth]

Trumpace, on Apr 17 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

vuroth, on Apr 17 2008, 09:35 AM, said:

As an aside, I really don't think I would have sat for 3NT as north.

Why? What kind of hand do you think partner has for the 3NT bid?

I expect partner is relying on me for 12+ HCP in NT. I also expect that my hand plays 2 tricks better in a suit contract.

What do I expect from partner? That they're not broke, they're short in hearts, and have spades well stopped. That still leaves room for a minor suit holding.

I expect that 3NT, 4C and 5C could all be the right contracts.

[Trumpace]

vuroth, on Apr 17 2008, 11:31 AM, said:

Trumpace, on Apr 17 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

vuroth, on Apr 17 2008, 09:35 AM, said:

As an aside, I really don't think I would have sat for 3NT as north.

Why? What kind of hand do you think partner has for the 3NT bid?

I expect partner is relying on me for 12+ HCP in NT. I also expect that my hand plays 2 tricks better in a suit contract.

What do I expect from partner? That they're not broke, they're short in hearts, and have spades well stopped. That still leaves room for a minor suit holding.

I expect that 3NT, 4C and 5C could all be the right contracts.

A few more questions:

1) Why do you expect heart shortness with partner?

2) Why do you think a contract in clubs/diamonds will play at least 2 tricks better than NT? (Imagine a trump lead from opps, which will likely occur if you take out 3NT to suit).

[vuroth]

Trumpace, on Apr 17 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

A few more questions:

1) Why do you expect heart shortness with partner?

2) Why do you think a contract in clubs/diamonds will play at least 2 tricks better than NT? (Imagine a trump lead from opps, which will likely occur if you take out 3NT to suit).

1. If partner had 3 or more hearts, we'd be in 4 hearts.

2a. A lot of my opponents would miss the trump lead, though it IS clearly best.
2b. Because 5530 plays better in trump than notrump. Because partner having 3 clubs isn't unlikely at all, and 4 isn't impossible. Even with a trump lead, I should have a shot at trumping a red loser in dummy.

If we'd had a detailed auction end in 3NT, I'd trust partner. Partner's made a guess, and there's a lot about my hand that is better suited to a suited contract that partner does not know about.

If I'm wrong, I'd be happy to be enlightened. I'm speaking as a student of the game, not an authority.

V

[Trumpace]

I think we should pass 3NT.

The chances that partner has Hx (Kx or Ax) of hearts for 3NT bid are pretty high IMO. If partner jumps to game in NT with and a singleton x/void in my suit and length only in opponents suit, then I think partner needs to change habits.

If pard has a singleton heart, a club contract is probably only better if the singleton is the King (again, IMO, which might be wrong).

In case pard has two small hearts, I don't see why a club contract is better.

Anyway, it could be that I am completely mistaken: I was hoping that one of our resident experts will state their opinion(s) on this.

[cherdano]

It is a guess, but I would pass 3N as North. However, I would not bid 3N with the South hand, this looks like a clear penalty pass.
As for the play, I can't guess where you went wrong, Kathryn.

[jillybean]

I went wrong with the ♣ play, I started off fine (I think) playing low to 10 but then I pplayed the Ace♣ and my rho had held up the K from Kxx. Playing the Ace cut off my communication to the table. I should have played a ♠ back to my hand and continued finessing the ♣K or just played low ♣ twice.

[1eyedjack]

If it helps any, J, GIB says you can't make it (assuming perfect double dummy defence) once you have played a club from hand at trick 2.

Either playing low from table at trick 1 or ducking when the Q of diamonds appears are both working options, although rising with the J of diamonds is a perfectly reasonable play, but I guess you were kicking yourself when it was covered.

Having won trick 1, GIB says that the only way to make now is by leading a Heart. Bizarre. Some day I may have a good look at it to see why.

[hotShot]

jillybean2, on Apr 18 2008, 08:10 AM, said:

I should have played a ♠ back to my hand and continued finessing the ♣K or just played low ♣ twice.

Which card from the ♠ void would you use for that?

[Wackojack]

Magic! GIB does double dummy analysis with 2 hands and leading from a void is possible.

[jillybean]

hotShot, on Apr 18 2008, 01:52 AM, said:

jillybean2, on Apr 18 2008, 08:10 AM, said:

I should have played a ♠ back to my hand and continued finessing the ♣K or just played low ♣ twice.

Which card from the ♠ void would you use for that?

Make that a ♦