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Bridge Seems simple, but is it? The misadventures of Rex and Jay-#5396

Poll: What is your response? (48 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your response?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Double (7 votes [14.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.58%

  3. 1NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 2 Hearts (9 votes [18.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  5. 2 Spades (29 votes [60.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.42%

  6. 3 Hearts (2 votes [4.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.17%

  7. Other (1 votes [2.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.08%

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#1 User is offline   microcap 

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Posted 2007-March-03, 06:53

As we all know, what makes bridge so wonderful is that even after playing for 40 years, you still encounter seemingly innocent situations that turn out to be tricky.

You are third hand and hold:
Scoring: IMP


Partner opens 1, RHO overcalls 1. You have a myriad of respectable choices--- which do you choose and why?
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Posted 2007-March-03, 07:22

I would bid 2 unless my partner used a sound opening style.

I know the Kx could very well be working like Ax, and I have two Ts, so this is technically an underbid. However I hope to get another bid even if partner passes, either by LHO raising s or by RHO competing if goes two passes.

Finally, though a secondary consideration, is that we are not vulnerable, and they are, and I don't mind as much taking the risk of missing game, especially when some opponents may put the offer of a large number on the table.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 07:23

oops. i voted for X. but 2 i my actual choice: support with support.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 07:44

2 show support before it is too late, could live with 2 but I don't think it is the hand for.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 07:51

microcap, on Mar 3 2007, 07:53 AM, said:

As we all know, what makes bridge so wonderful is that even after playing for 40 years, you still encounter seemingly innocent situations that turn out to be tricky.

You are third hand and hold:
Dealer: North
Vul: E/W
Scoring: IMP
K9
KQ8
10654
Q1084
 


Partner opens 1, RHO overcalls 1.  You have a myriad of respectable choices---  which do you choose and why?

Must admit I would have bid 2H without a second thought. Not even close to a limit raise for me.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 08:46

Having passed, I can make a case for showing a minimum limit raise, and since I get to play 2C here as still being Drury, that's what I bid.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 08:51

Winstonm, on Mar 3 2007, 09:46 AM, said:

Having passed, I can make a case for showing a minimum limit raise, and since I get to play 2C here as still being Drury, that's what I bid.

assuming you bid 2 as discussed, now it goes pass, 2NT by partner, pass, your bid...

Answer before reading any lower...
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Posted 2007-March-03, 09:19

Double and then bid 2 or 3 depending on what level Ops bid.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 10:50

Winstonm, on Mar 3 2007, 09:46 AM, said:

Having passed, I can make a case for showing a minimum limit raise, and since I get to play 2C here as still being Drury, that's what I bid.

you haven't passed: you are third seat, thus partner dealt and opened.

As for one's bid here, that depends on style. I upgrade this due to the Kx of s: 2 for me. It's a close call.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 11:03

Hi,

2S, 2H is ok, but you will often encouter developments,
which lead to feelings, that you did not get all across to
partner.

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Posted 2007-March-03, 11:59

The problem with X is that if it goes 3S p p you have never shown heart support yet.

I would bid 2S.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 12:23

Auto 2. Tougher if I HAD passed originally.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 13:55

mikeh, on Mar 3 2007, 11:50 AM, said:

Winstonm, on Mar 3 2007, 09:46 AM, said:

Having passed, I can make a case for showing a minimum limit raise, and since I get to play 2C here as still being Drury, that's what I bid.

you haven't passed: you are third seat, thus partner dealt and opened.

As for one's bid here, that depends on style. I upgrade this due to the Kx of s: 2 for me. It's a close call.

Oops. It is closer now, but I still chose limit raise call due to the favorable location of the spade K and the good heart cards.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 14:02

officeglen, on Mar 3 2007, 09:51 AM, said:

Winstonm, on Mar 3 2007, 09:46 AM, said:

Having passed, I can make a case for showing a minimum limit raise, and since I get to play 2C here as still being Drury, that's what I bid.

assuming you bid 2 as discussed, now it goes pass, 2NT by partner, pass, your bid...

Answer before reading any lower...

Assuming 2N is natural game try, I am going to raise to 3N because I think now the KQ of hearts will help bring in at least 4 heart tricks. If we have 9 tricks in hearts we should have some play for 9 tricks in NT.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 14:44

Obvious 2, what is wrong with a 10 count that seems to be all working, a couple tens, and a doubleton?
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Posted 2007-March-03, 16:22

2H is a huge underbid. 2S is the bid I would choose.

Some pairs play 1NT in this situation as "regular" raise of 2H, 2H is "weaker" raise (7- HCP or so). Even with this convention, 1NT would still be underbid.

Without RHO's intervention, I would respond 1NT and intend to bid 3H next round.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 16:36

I would expect partner to make a game try if we have game. After all I can have 11 pts for my constructive bid here. I do not see how 2H is a huge underbid unless we open only good hands or bid 2H on poor ones in comp.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 17:03

2S. This hand has improved greatly because of the overcall. 2H is not enough.
As an aside, what a good hand for Ruben's Advances.
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Posted 2007-March-03, 17:15

depends on what toys i have available.
IMO, the hand values clearly to a 3-card support GI raise.
So, I bid 2S = 3-card GI heart raise.
I agree with upgrade of henad due to favorable location of spade-king.
In addition, hand has a nice QTxx combo in clubs.

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Posted 2007-March-03, 19:43

mike777, on Mar 3 2007, 05:36 PM, said:

I would expect partner to make a game try if we have game. After all I can have 11 pts for my constructive bid here. I do not see how 2H is a huge underbid unless we open only good hands or bid 2H on poor ones in comp.

"11 points" for my "constructive" bid? Maybe you, but not the rest of the bridge playing universe.

I don't even know why this problem is here, it is the easiest one I remember on the forums outside the beginner forum.
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